When asked about the figures in Enschede, Rotting comes up with a fairly positive story. While there is an increase in the number of incidents nationally, the number is not increasing in Enschede. “You could also explain it as progress,” he says optimistically. “What if we had done nothing?” asks Rotting, referring to the manifesto. Why do things still often go wrong in Enschede? Rotting doesn't know. “I don't immediately have an explanation for that. Yes, football is emotion. This could happen at any level and with any origin. It can also happen in the villages around us, unfortunately it also happens there. I cannot make a connection to the city.”